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Message ID: 127979 Posted By: stats_for_all Posted On: 2004-04-27 17:51:00 Subject: Re: Bert Young's uSight scam comment Recs: 12 I tried not to editorialize much in my discussion of the uSight scam. I just want to get some of the mass of information out there. Fundamentally, uSight was a slimey scam, where unsophisticated grandmothers were robbed of their savings after they attended "seminars" with visions of selling their teddy bear collections on the web. This is really that ugly. The disconnect here is what the dot-com high flyer Bert Young was doing mugging grandmothers for they pin money. I think the presence of epenzio and Leasecomm points to a level of national syndication in this scam. Avalon Digital Marketing Services was once a legitimate business, it is a shell company at this point, doing business out of a PO Box in Sandy, Utah owned by Brad Campbell. It appears to me that it was raided by thieves. The presence of Liberty Vending, Vend...

Message ID: 127974 Posted By: stats_for_all Posted On: 2004-04-27 17:05:00 Subject: Re: Bert Young's uSight scam part 2 Recs: 22 continued from linked post, please read part one The package of business services that uSight sold included a pay-pal clone called epenzio (or similar, there are multiple aliases). Epenzio evidently was a merchant service for credit cards, which involved the fraudulent lease of an imprinter. Epenzio is evidently a subsidiary and definitely a linked associate of a similar Massachusettes based scam called Leasecomm. Leasecomm is operating under a 24 million dollar judgement by the FTC (SEE: www.ftc.gov/ro/leasecomm). Leasecomm may have a RICO indictment (web information is ambiguous). The FTC news release on Leasecomm states: < quote> According to the FTC, the scheme worked as follows: Leasecomm Corporation financed business opportunities, including Internet web malls, multilevel marketing programs, medical billing software, cou...

Message ID: 127973 Posted By: stats_for_all Posted On: 2004-04-27 17:04:00 Subject: Bert Young's uSight scam Recs: 32 More on the uSight scam Bert Young was CFO at uSight in 2002. Efforts have been made to erase this association from the web. uSight presents home business seminars, and provides home business web page software and hosting services. The Utah Consumer Protection division initiated action against uSight in 2002. This action was appealed by uSight and a stipulated settlement was reached. This information comes from a personal phone call I made to Au Pauga at the Utah Consumer Protection division (ph: 801-530-6601). The settlement is available through a Utah "GRAMA" (government records) request from the department via faxed written request (fax 801-530-6001). A traveling home business sales seminar is at the core of uSight, these are still conducted under numerous aliases. Customers were signed to non-refundable contracts for a package o...

Message ID: 127480 Posted By: stats_for_all Posted On: 2004-04-26 14:53:00 Subject: Bert Young at Usight Recs: 15 Bert Young's other reported employment in the talk2 period was a uSight http://www.usight.com/about.shtml), a firm founded by BYU student Brandt Anderson in Orem, Utah. uSight appears to be a cheesey scam, numerous ripoff reports on the web: Example: www.troubleshooter.com/cf_misc/Sleaze/SleazeAll.cfm < SNIP> There are numerous complaints against the company. In February 2003, the Utah Division of Consumer Protection issued an Administrative Citation against Usight for allegedly violating the Consumer Sales Practices Act, failure to register as a business opportunity and failure to provide business opportunity. On October 7, 2003 the company's membership in the BBB was revoked due to the action filed by the Division. < /SNIP> Usight LLC business address has been 727 N 1550 S,,Orem,UT, a location shared with Upenzio, Foreclosurewo...

Message ID: 126694 Posted By: walterbyrd Posted On: 2004-04-23 12:45:00 Subject: baystar's reputation at stake? Recs: 2 I don't know how this stuff works, but it seems to me the baystar's biggest concern would be to have big customers lose faith in baystar's judgement. When a company that drops $20 million into an obvious scam, do you want that company managing your money? The money itself may be no big deal, since even in the worst case, baystar will probably only lose about half. And, let's face, everybody makes a mistake now and then. I'm sure scox is tiny part of baystar's portfolio. But when baystar buys into an obvious stock scam, big customers, and potential big customers have to wonder about baystar's degree of research, and maybe even baystar's honesty. Isn't there a saying that "reputation is virginity - once it's gone you can't get it back." --------------------------------------------------------...

Message ID: 126086 Posted By: choconutdancer Posted On: 2004-04-22 12:34:00 Subject: I hope Baystar loses every penny Recs: 13 and here I thought Baystar was redeeming because SCO lied to them about owning the copyrights to Unix (they don't, Novell does) and that Baystar finally caught on to this being just a stock scam. now we find out they are only interested in the SCO extortion scam. I now hope Baystar loses every penny of their investment. the same with RBC. enjoy your future loses guys. go Nazgul! ------------------------------------------------------------ The text of this Yahoo Message Board post has been licensed for copying and distribution by the Yahoo Message Board user "choconutdancer" under the following license: License:  CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike v2.0 ------------------------------------------------------------

Message ID: 125414 Posted By: saltydogmn Posted On: 2004-04-21 13:12:00 Subject: Possible FSF / EFF fundraising idea Recs: 2 First, many thanks to the great posters here, who, as a direct result of the combined resources between themselves, the people of Groklaw, and the Open Source community in general, have blown the lid off of the Microsoft-sponsored attack/stock scam we all know and love. This has been a fascinating story throughout, and I'm glad that it should be finishing with a big bang very soon, and I'll be watching intently. Now, I had an idea, somewhat hare-brained, but here it goes; perhaps when the SCOX stock approaches death knell levels (<=$1.00), what if we bought 100 shares, had actual nice printed certificates made up, and had people like PJ, Linus, and/or ESR sign them, and auction them off, with the entire proceeds going to whichever charity would like to associate themselves with this. Any thoughts? Flames are okay, too, since I did sa...

Message ID: 122025 Posted By: freecode_99 Posted On: 2004-04-12 00:22:00 Subject: A strategic view Recs: 12 It is time for us to pick the battleground and the time. This battle will rage on, but the enemies of freedom must not be allowed to control the timing, or the ground upon which the conflict occurs. They see momentum in the price of stock, I see momentum in the interest for Free and Open Source software. Sun Tzu was right, and we should become the whisper in the wind. We must become the leaves of the trees such that they when they venture into the forst we are always above them. This battle was a strategic miscalculation by the schemers. Their greed and vitriol shall only become more apparent as they flail in the tarpit of realizing that the lottery tickets are worthless. Expect their return to be vocal, designed to cause anger and totally lacking in substantive argument. I would suggest that we point out where they are wrong, but do not engage them directly. ...

Message ID: 121801 Posted By: walterbyrd Posted On: 2004-04-09 15:40:00 Subject: Sympathic Juries? Recs: 9 Said it before, I'll say it again. Don't think that scox will necessarily win a jury's sympathies. Smart, dumb, hicks, whatever. Be certain that IBM has *very* good lawyers, and they know all about sypathic juries. Making scox look like the bad guy would be a cinch. IANAL, but: - McBride as "devout Mormon" ? I'd blow that notion out of the water in about ten seconds. - IBM picking on scox? I could easily disprove that. - First, I'd demolish all scox credibility, list dozens of outright lies made by scox execs. Think the jury would be sypathetic to a filthy liar calling himself a "devout Mormon" ? Real Mormons would be the first to hang him. - Jury sypathetic to an extortion scam? - Jury sypathetic to attepted theft of the work of volunteers? b3n is a grandmother, and not a techie, yet she understands the issu...

Message ID: 118996 Posted By: korbomite Posted On: 2004-04-01 12:48:00 Subject: Sherwin-Williams time is ALL the time Recs: 1 ...it has been for the last 3 weeks, despite the strong downward sentiments and despite the fact that most REAL investors know the following about this company and this stock: 1. This is a stock scam and has been for the last three years. 2. This company is involved in a stock manipulation scheme, funded by Microsoft. 3. This company is engaged in an ongoing criminal enterprise, also funded by Microsoft. k ------------------------------------------------------------ The text of this Yahoo Message Board post has been licensed for copying and distribution by the Yahoo Message Board user "korbomite" under the following license: License:  CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike v2.0 ------------------------------------------------------------